Who is the Mashiach?

Posted on Mar 22, 2015 | 31 comments

Question submitted to Ask the Rabbi” by:

Name: Joanne

City: Hemel Hempstead, England

Full Question:

“All the way through the Old Testament, the Jews are awaiting  the arrival of a Messiah. Then Jesus arrives, performs miracles, etc. and many Jews follow him. Why did the rabbis not accept Jesus as the one that they had been waiting for and advise their people to all follow him?”

Rabbi Tully Bryks responds:

You are correct that we have waited long and hard for the Mashiach (Messiah) to come. His coming is a basic tenant of Jewish faith! There are several reasons why we are still waiting and the vast majority of Jews never accepted Jesus as the Mashiach. Here are just a handful:

  1. The Torah (Bible) and the Navi (Prophets) describe many rules for how to evaluate a prophet. One of the key rules for the Mashiach (and any prophet) is that he may not change any law of the Torah. Even if he changes just one law, regardless of how many miracles he may have performed, we are not allowed to follow him/her.
  2. The prophesies describing the Mashiach state clearly that the Mashiach would bring the final redemption, including a utopian society with total peace for all people and even animals, whereby “Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore” and “the lion will lie down with the lamb.” Unfortunately, the past two thousand years have been plagued by constant violence, war and even attempts at genocide.sword into plowshares
  3. Aside from bringing about world peace, the Mashiach will also bring about the rebuilding of the Beis Hamikdah (Holy Temple). Yet, the 2nd Beis Hamikdash had not even been destroyed by the Romans until 35-40 years after they killed Jesus. So his arrival was a little too early to be considered the Mashiach.
  4. Along those lines, the prophets go on to say that the Mashiach will gather all of the Jews back to the land of Israel. It took around 1,900 years since the death of Jesus for the Jews to finally have a state again in Israel. And even today, the majority of Jews still do not live in Israel.
  5. The prophesies also state that when the Mashiach comes, “all of the nations will worship the one true G-d,” bringing unity to the world. However, not only do the nations still lack unity in their faith of G-d, there are thousands (perhaps millions) of people who believe in multiple G-d’s or no G-d at all!
  6. The prophesies further state that when the Mashiach comes, prophecy will return. Today, the only people claiming to be prophets are typically the ones found in insane asylums.
  7. The prophesies further state the Mashiach would be a direct descendant, on the father’s side, from Kind David. For those who believe that Jesus did not have a father, then this would be impossible.

There are many other reasons as well, although even one reason would be enough. That being said, It is important to note that the Jewish rejection of Jesus as the Mashiach is not a rejection of the Christian people. On the contrary, we believe that all people are the children of G-d and we do not solicit converts. For more on this concept, please see my article on the Chosen Nation.

For more on the Mashiach, please see my article on what will happen when the Mashiach comes.

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  1. So my jew friend…
    as you see…
    is not possible for a human being…to be The Christ…The King of Israel…Sitting on The Holy Throne of The Holy Kingdom of God…!!!

    God has promised to Abraham…to give to his sons…the Promised Land…
    This Promise has been fulfilled in the time of Joshua the son of Nun…
    Before this…God has done with the israelites…A Convenant – The Old Testament…through the prophet Moses – who was a very big believer of God…
    in the time of prophet Moses …The Presence of God Was VERY STRONG…
    nevertheless…God has punished Moses just for one sin…
    that means…prophet Moses was not worthy to be The Christ – The King of Israel…
    not only this…
    but God has deprived to Moses to come into the Promised Land…just for one sin…!!!

    God gave them the Promised Land…
    but not so simple…
    before to give them the Promised Land…
    has done a Holy Convenant…The Convenant of The Holy Law of God…
    according to This Holy Convenant…the israelites should obey to His Holy Law…
    if not…
    God made them clear…that…should punish them…!!!
    The unbelievers of the nation of Israel…
    they understood…that they were in a big problem…
    they could not be a nation like the other nations…
    they could not do…what they wanted to do…
    they were not free to do what they want…
    they could not live with sins…like the other nations…!!!

    THESE ARE…
    THE BIG TEACHINGS OF THE HOLY LAW OF GOD…
    ”you will love God…
    you will love thy neighbor as thyself…
    and dont do sins…!!!”

    If the sin was not havy…
    was given the ability of forgiveness…through the bood of animals…
    if the sin was havy…there was no forgiveness…was punishment of death…!!!

    The only way to live the israelites in the Promise Land…
    was…
    to obey To God and to His Holy Law…!!!

    QUESTION
    Who has obeyed exactly to The Holy Law…???
    i answer…NOBODY…
    nobody was sinless…
    even THE BIG PROPHET MOSES…even THE BIG KING DAVID…
    although THE PRESENCE OF GOD WAS STRONG in their time…!!!

    By the time…
    the israelites and their kings…
    proved themselves…unworthy to keep the Promised Land…
    because of their sins.and their apostacy…
    God didn’t saved them from their enemies…!!!

    NOW ANOTHER QUESTION…
    Who is the bigger enemy of the human being…???
    the enemy of my country…or the enemy of my eternal life…???

    The israelites lost their country because of the sins…

    but…there is THE BIGGEST ENEMY for all human beings…

    THIS BIGGEST ENEMY for all humanity is THE DEATH

    the israelites…and all nations…they lost the eternal life…
    because of the sin of Adam in Paradise…!!!

    Through our father Adam…
    we have lost the eternal life…we die…!!!

    To give God…a promised Land… for me and for my sons…
    even if my sons they will stay always in Belief…
    is should be USELESS…
    because…
    i will die…and my sons will die…every generation will die…
    that means…
    THE BIG ENEMY namely THE DEATH
    will be…UNBEATEN ENEMY…
    will be…the king of death…
    and i and my sons…we will be the slaves of this king…!!!

    But we believe and we know that…
    GOD IS GOOD….GOD IS LOVE…
    GOD HAS…AND IS…THE EVERLASTING LIFE…GOD IS IMMORTAL…
    GOD HAS created us…
    and for sure…
    IS…
    TO HIS HAND…TO HIS WILL…TO HIS ABILITY…
    TO GIVE US EVERLASTING LIFE….!!!

    So…as a believer…i should say to God…

    ”God…You Are Love…You Are Good…You Are Almighty God…
    please…
    give us everlasting life…make us to not die…
    destroy please…this BIG ENEMY = THE DEATH…
    please make us free…from this BIG ENEMY = THE DEATH…!!!

    THIS IS THE GIFT OF GOD to us…my jew friend…
    THROUGH THE NEW TESTAMENT…!!!

    God created the human being in the beginning…created Adam and Eva…
    GOD WHO IS LOVE…
    wants CERTAINLY…to give us everlasting life…
    God knew that the man…the human being…who has free will…
    must learn to stay in Belief…must learn to obey to God…
    God knew from the beginning…
    that…the man…
    is not really willing to obey to God…

    and so…
    God started from the beginning…
    HIS BIG SCHOOL for the human being…
    started from the Paradise….

    God made His First Old Convenant with Adam…
    Adam didn’t obey…

    after…
    God has made The next Old Convenant with Noah and his sons…
    the sons of Noah didn’t obey…

    after…
    God made The Next Old Convenant with Abraham and his son…through Moses…
    the israelites didn’t obey…

    finally
    God did The Last Convenant with the sons of Abraham…
    with the israelites…
    and not only with the israelites….
    but with all nations…
    according to His Promise to Abraham…
    ”In your seed will all the nations of the earth be blessed, because you have obeyed my voice.” Gen.22.18

    God did THE NEW TESTAMENT…THROUGH HIS SON – WHO IS…JESUS of Nazareth…!!!

    Through New Testament…
    the human being…become free from the biggest enemy namely from the death…
    Through New Testament…
    God will give to the believers…
    THE NEW PROMISED LAND = THE NEW EARTH…AND NEW HEAVENS…

    “For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
    ISAIAH 65.17

    25 Of old, you laid the foundation of the earth. The heavens are the work of your hands.
    26 They will perish, but you will endure. Yes, all of them will wear out like a garment. You will change them like a cloak, and they will be changed.
    PSALMS 102

    Through New Testament…
    God gives to the believers…
    FORGIVENESS FOR ALL SINS even for HAVY ONES…
    and…EVERLASTING LIFE…!!!

    QUESTION
    Who could save us from the bIggest enemy = THE DEATH…???

    could save us…a man…a human being…???

    IMPOSSIBLE…!!!
    Because…
    there is no man with out sin…everybody is sinfull…
    everybody is son of Adam…
    and…
    inevitably…
    is ill…with the illness of sin…
    his body is body of Adam…and the body of Adam became sinfull…
    everybody in Front of HOLY GOD is sinfull…
    even the BIG BELIEVERS… MOSES…DAVID…!!!
    Everybody…every human being…
    has inherited from his father Adam…
    sin…and death…is mortable…!!!

    • Rabbi Tully Bryks

      As you can probably guess, Judaism disagrees with mush of what you are wrote above. But we certainly respect your right to your opinions and there is more than unites us than divides us! Judaism does not require conversion to be saved. We believe that we are all G-d’s children. For more on that topic, please see my article on the Chosen Nation – http://rabbiwithanswers.com/chosen-nation/
      With regard to your question in the futility in longing for a human Mashiach (Messiah), despite the sins of many of the former Jewish kings, here’s a very brief answer:
      Since we love G-d and fully trust Him, we believe in, and accept, His many prophecies which discuss the utopian life in Messianic times, despite the fact that we are human and our leaders are human. So if G-d thinks (aka knows) that everything is going to work out with our future human Messianic king, than I will defer to His judgment (and knowledge of the future).

  2. YOU ANSWERD
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    Right answer…!!!

    God is Holy…
    that means….His Kingdom is also Holy…!!!

    The Holy and Wise God…
    gave them…Saul…to be king…
    and after Saul…gave David to be king…and after David…gave the sons of David to be kings…!!!

    I ASK YOU
    a man…is it possible…
    to be worthy king….sitting…upon The Holy Throne of The Holy Kingdom of God…???

    I ASK YOU
    Saul…David…and his sons…
    proved themselves…
    worthy to be king…sitting…upon The Holy Throne of the Kingdom of God…???

    I ASK YOU
    What do you think…
    God stopped to want…to be…HE…THE ONLY KING of Israel….???

    i ASK YOU
    Why the isralites…
    they insist…to have a man…king…sitting…upon The Holy Throne of The Holy Kingdom of God….???

    I ASK YOU
    Why the isralites…they dont understand….
    that…IS NOT POSSIBLE…for a man…to be worthy king…sitting…upon The Holy Throne of the Holy Kingdom of God…???

    Till today…the isralites…they want…they search…
    to have a man…as a worthy king….sitting…upon The Holy Throne of The Kingdom of God…
    I ASK YOU
    is that right…???

  3. YOU ANSWERD
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    Right answer!

    God wants…to be…HE…THE KING of Israel…!!!
    God was not happy for their request…
    nevertheless…
    The Holy and Wise God…gave them a man – Saul…to be a king..
    and after Saul…gave David…and after David…gave the sons of David to be kings…

    God is Holy…
    that means for sure…
    that His Kingdom is also Holy…

    I ASK YOU
    is it possible…
    for a man..
    to be able….
    king….sitting upon The Throne of The Holy Kingdom of God…???

    I ASK YOU
    Saul…David…and all his sons…
    finally…
    proved themselves…able…to be king…sitting upon the Holy Throne of The Holy Kingdom of God…???

  4. This article helped me evaluate a book I read that presumes to prove that Jesus was the Messiah.

    • Rabbi Tully Bryks

      I’m so happy that I was able to help!
      Steve and I have continued our conversation offline and it is important to realize that both Christians and Jews should be proud of their convictions. And when it comes values, there is more that unites us than divides us. Especially in today’s turbulent times, I think it is important that we focus on our shared values and beliefs.

    • Nope I am the messiah I tried to get everyone to make me king and rebuild the temple but they were all hung up on Jesus, sooo I am just going to expel humanity. I hope you enjoy the show!

  5. Hi,

    I have some questions reading your article here. But I will just ask one then point some verses out

    Jeremiah 32:37

    Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely:

    Looking at this verse it says I think the jews right? He would bring them back to Isreal which did happen and your point 4 you say all jews but the verse does not say every single jew. Same with Ezekiel 20:34 correct?

    Also, please tell me if any of these are wrong because I don’t think they are regarding Jesus

    Prophecies About Jesus Old Testament
    Scripture New Testament
    Fulfillment
    1 Messiah would be born of a woman. Genesis 3:15 Matthew 1:20
    Galatians 4:4
    2 Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. Micah 5:2 Matthew 2:1
    Luke 2:4-6
    3 Messiah would be born of a virgin. Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:22-23
    Luke 1:26-31
    4 Messiah would come from the line of Abraham. Genesis 12:3
    Genesis 22:18 Matthew 1:1
    Romans 9:5
    5 Messiah would be a descendant of Isaac. Genesis 17:19
    Genesis 21:12 Luke 3:34
    6 Messiah would be a descendant of Jacob. Numbers 24:17 Matthew 1:2
    7 Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah. Genesis 49:10 Luke 3:33
    Hebrews 7:14
    8 Messiah would be heir to King David’s throne. 2 Samuel 7:12-13
    Isaiah 9:7 Luke 1:32-33
    Romans 1:3
    9 Messiah’s throne will be anointed and eternal. Psalm 45:6-7
    Daniel 2:44 Luke 1:33
    Hebrews 1:8-12
    10 Messiah would be called Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:23
    11 Messiah would spend a season in Egypt. Hosea 11:1 Matthew 2:14-15
    12 A massacre of children would happen at Messiah’s birthplace. Jeremiah 31:15 Matthew 2:16-18
    13 A messenger would prepare the way for Messiah Isaiah 40:3-5 Luke 3:3-6
    14 Messiah would be rejected by his own people. Psalm 69:8
    Isaiah 53:3 John 1:11
    John 7:5
    15 Messiah would be a prophet. Deuteronomy 18:15 Acts 3:20-22
    16 Messiah would be preceded by Elijah. Malachi 4:5-6 Matthew 11:13-14
    17 Messiah would be declared the Son of God. Psalm 2:7 Matthew 3:16-17
    18 Messiah would be called a Nazarene. Isaiah 11:1 Matthew 2:23
    19 Messiah would bring light to Galilee. Isaiah 9:1-2 Matthew 4:13-16
    20 Messiah would speak in parables. Psalm 78:2-4
    Isaiah 6:9-10 Matthew 13:10-15, 34-35
    21 Messiah would be sent to heal the brokenhearted. Isaiah 61:1-2 Luke 4:18-19
    22 Messiah would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek. Psalm 110:4 Hebrews 5:5-6
    23 Messiah would be called King. Psalm 2:6
    Zechariah 9:9 Matthew 27:37
    Mark 11:7-11
    24 Messiah would be praised by little children. Psalm 8:2 Matthew 21:16
    25 Messiah would be betrayed. Psalm 41:9
    Zechariah 11:12-13 Luke 22:47-48
    Matthew 26:14-16
    26 Messiah’s price money would be used to buy a potter’s field. Zechariah 11:12-13 Matthew 27:9-10
    27 Messiah would be falsely accused. Psalm 35:11 Mark 14:57-58
    28 Messiah would be silent before his accusers. Isaiah 53:7 Mark 15:4-5
    29 Messiah would be spat upon and struck. Isaiah 50:6 Matthew 26:67
    30 Messiah would be hated without cause. Psalm 35:19
    Psalm 69:4 John 15:24-25
    31 Messiah would be crucified with criminals. Isaiah 53:12 Matthew 27:38
    Mark 15:27-28
    32 Messiah would be given vinegar to drink. Psalm 69:21 Matthew 27:34
    John 19:28-30
    33 Messiah’s hands and feet would be pierced. Psalm 22:16
    Zechariah 12:10 John 20:25-27
    34 Messiah would be mocked and ridiculed. Psalm 22:7-8 Luke 23:35
    35 Soldiers would gamble for Messiah’s garments. Psalm 22:18 Luke 23:34
    Matthew 27:35-36
    36 Messiah’s bones would not be broken. Exodus 12:46
    Psalm 34:20 John 19:33-36
    37 Messiah would be forsaken by God. Psalm 22:1 Matthew 27:46
    38 Messiah would pray for his enemies. Psalm 109:4 Luke 23:34
    39 Soldiers would pierce Messiah’s side. Zechariah 12:10 John 19:34
    40 Messiah would be buried with the rich. Isaiah 53:9 Matthew 27:57-60
    41 Messiah would resurrect from the dead. Psalm 16:10
    Psalm 49:15 Matthew 28:2-7
    Acts 2:22-32
    42 Messiah would ascend to heaven. Psalm 24:7-10 Mark 16:19
    Luke 24:51
    43 Messiah would be seated at God’s right hand. Psalm 68:18
    Psalm 110:1 Mark 16:19
    Matthew 22:44
    44 Messiah would be a sacrifice for sin. Isaiah 53:5-12 Romans 5:6-8

    • Rabbi Tully Bryks

      Thank you so much for your question/comment Steve!
      With regard to the prophesies which you quote in Yirmiyahu (Jeremiah) and Yechezkel (Ezekiel), where the verses say, “I will gather you from among the nations,” they do not say, “only some of you” or “many of you” will be gathered. If I was a Jew living in those times and told that only some of my descendants would eventually be redeemed, it probably wouldn’t be so comforting. On the contrary, one of the many sadistic tricks that Nazis sometimes performed was to ask a father to choose which one of his sons should be killed. The Mashiach is something we pray for every day because it will offer salvation to the whole world! That being said, just as with the Exodus from Egypt, it is possible that not everyone will be worthy of redemption. Even so, those Jews who were not worthy during the Exodus from Egypt were killed during the plague of darkness. But none were left to continue living in Egypt. So too, our understanding is that the final redemption will eventually bring all remaining Jews to Israel.
      Regarding the many verses you quote and wonder if they could refer to someone like Jesus, some of them, which apply to many others as well, certainly can. For example, if a verse says that the Mashiach (Messiah) will be a male, Jesus would have met that criteria. That being said, millions of other people would have also met the criteria of being a male (roughly half the population), just as millions of people meet the criteria of being descendants of Avraham (Abraham), Yitzchak (Isaac) and Yaakov (Jacob). Every generation will have someone, sometimes many people, who meet the criteria for being the Mashiach. But once that person dies and the Messianic prophesies have not been fulfilled, it demonstrates unequivocally that this person was not the Mashiach.
      But as it turns out, it appears that many of the verses you quote are taken out of context or are outright mistranslations. While I won’t comment on the “new testament,” I would certainly advise anyone looking for clarity, to read the Torah (Bible or Old Testament) in the original Hebrew, as every translation is a commentary, designed to support the perspective of the translator.
      Here are just a few blatant examples of how some of these verses should read based on the 3000+-year Jewish tradition, and based on a simple reading of the Hebrew and the context:

      “3. Messiah would be born of a virgin. Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:22-23
      Luke 1:26-31″
      The key word in this verse, עַלְמָה (pronounced alma) has always meant a young woman, and certainly not a virgin. If the Torah wanted to indicate virgin, it would have used the Hebrew word for virgin בְּתּוּלָה (pronounced Betulah) as it does when it actually refers to a virgin. For example, see Breishis (Genesis) 24:16, “the girl was very beautiful, a virgin (בְּתּוּלָה), and no man had had any relations with her.” Unlike the beliefs of the 1st century pagans who regularly espoused the idea of mortals being impregnated by gods, Judaism has never accepted such concepts.
      Furthermore, Yishayahu 7:14 is not even talking about the Mashiach. Rather, the context is that Yishayahu had come to warn King Achaz that the northern kingdom had formed an alliance with King Rezin of Aram (Syria) to wage war against Jerusalem. In 7:4, Yishayahu tells King Achaz that he should not be afraid because G-d will be with him and the invasion with fail. In 7:8, he further states that within 65 years, the northern kingdom will cease to exist and its 10 tribes would be led into exile by Assyria. When King Achaz expresses his doubts, Yishayahu offers a sign as described in Yishayahu 7:14, “Therefore, the L-rd Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the young woman (הָעַלְמָה) shall conceive and give birth to a son and she will name him Immanuel.” The young woman was referring to someone who they both knew; otherwise, it would not have been a very effective sign. One Jewish tradition (see Radak) is that “the woman” was Achav’s own wife, making the sign even more impressive, as it even predicted the name he would give his son. But regardless, it is clear that the verse is not referring to the Mashiach and certainly has nothing to do with a virgin birth.

      “14 Messiah would be rejected by his own people. Psalm 69:8
      Isaiah 53:3 John 1:11″
      On the contrary, we actually believe that the Mashiach will be universally accepted by the Jewish people, which will serve as yet another indicator of the true Mashiach. This is another example of a mistranslation and taking something out of context. In actuality, Yishayahu (Isaiah) chapter 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. Throughout the Torah, Israel is repeatedly called, in the singular, the “Servant of God,” including several times in Yishayahu itself. For example, see Yishayahu 41:8-9 “But you, O Israel, My servant, Jacob, you whom I have chosen, offspring of Abraham who loved Me…and to whom I shall say: ‘You are my servant’ – I have chosen you and not rejected you.”
      When read correctly in Hebrew, Yishayahu 53 clearly refers to the Jewish people being “bruised, crushed and sent as sheep to the slaughter” at the hands of the nations of the world. These descriptions are used throughout the Torah (Bible), such as in Tehilm (Psalms) chapter 44, to graphically describe the suffering and rejection of the Jewish people, but do NOT refer to any suffering or rejection of the Mashiach. And painfully, many generations of Jews got to personally experience what it means to be “sent as sheep to the slaughter.”

      “17 Messiah would be declared the Son of God. Psalm 2:7 Matthew 3:16-17″
      This verse is referring to King David. Kind David is the author of the Psalm, and he is clearly writing about himself, “Hashem said to me, You are My son…” Also see Shmuel (Samuel) II, 7:14, where King Solomon is also referred to as a son of G-d. Even the Jewish people are often referred to in the Torah as the children of G-d – see of example Devarim (Deuteronomy) 14:1, “You are children of Hashem, your G-d.” In reality, neither King David nor King Solomon nor the rest of us are physical children of G-d as G-d is not even physical. But G-d views us all as His children and we view G-d as our Father. For more examples, see Tehilim (Psalms), 103:13 and 68:6; Iyov (Job), 29:16; Mishlei (Proverbs), 3:12; Malachi, 2:10; Pirkei Avos (Ethics of our Fathers), 3:24; Ahava Rabah Prayer; Avinu Malkeinu Prayer; Shemone Esrei Prayer.
      As with my article, the goal here is not to criticize the followers any other religion or philosophy. Rather, I am just providing a small glimpse into why the vast majority of Jews have not accepted Jesus as our Mashiach. I hope everyone can continue to respect the rights of others to their religious perspective. Sadly, way too many lives have been taken away in the “name of religion.” Wishing peace upon all people of all faiths!

      • Hi,

        I thanks for your answer. It is a long post so I need to go over it later it much detail, but for now can you tell me if you agree with these prophecies or if you do not agree with these 6 short prophecies

        prophecy

        Psalm 41:9
        9 Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.

        Jesus quoted this prophecy in the Gospel

        John 13:18
        18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.
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        Psalm 22:7-8
        7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
        8 He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.

        Fulfilled:

        Matthew 27:41-43
        41 Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said,
        42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.
        43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
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        God inspired prophet Isaiah to prophecy about Christ. For example in chapter 53

        Isaiah 53:12
        12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

        Jesus also quoted this prophecy also in the Gospel

        Luke 22:37
        37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
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        Prophecy: Micah 5:2 (5:1 in the Jewish Bible)

        “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall come forth to Me the One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, from everlasting.”

        Fulfillment: Matthew 2:1

        “Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem
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        Prophecy: Isaiah 7:14

        “Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.”

        Fulfillment: Matthew 1:18, 22-23

        “Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit . So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: ‘Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,’ which is translated, ‘God with us.’”
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    • Also my frend,

      just adding one thing else just wondering to know, if you reject
      Prophecy: Isaiah 7:14 saying “Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.”

      If you reject this was Christ, then by all means you are waiting for someone in present day Isreal, a virgin girl to have a child, is that correct? because if you deny Jesus fulfilled this spoken by the Prophet Isaiah, then do you think or are you hoping someone today under netanyahu or potentially some other prime minister for a virgin girl to be with child?

      • Rabbi Tully Bryks

        As I mentioned in my previous comments, most of the English quotes you are providing are not accurate depictions of the Hebrew text or context, as found consistently in our Torah (Bible) scrolls for the past 3,300 years.
        Yishayahu (Isaiah) 7:14 uses the Hebrew term עַלְמָה, which means “young woman” and does not use the Hebrew term בְּתּוּלָה, which would have meant virgin. And the verse is not even referencing the Mashiach (Messiah) at all. Furthermore, the popular 1st century Pagan concept of gods impregnating women is counter to all Jewish teachings.
        And yes, Jews are still waiting for the Mashiach, along with the utopian society he is prophesied to bring with him (although we are definitely not waiting for a virgin birth).
        May that ultimate time of a true and lasting world peace be upon us soon!

      • OK so if We place young women in place of virgin ( even thoe I thought the other scholars said something else) we get

        7:14 saying “Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.”

        So if you place virgin with young women then this means the Lord will give you a sign of a young women with child and call his name emmanuel this is what your saying. We know Jesus was called emmanuel and since you reject that, this means you don’t believe it happened yet, there fore this needs to happen according to your beliefs before Jesus comes back which means under the currect Isreal primeminister there could be some young women in isreal to call her child emmanual. So my question now is, are you waiting for a young women to be on the news with a child who’s name will be emmanuel still then?

        • Rabbi Tully Bryks

          Steve – It still appears that you are not reading my previous comments. As I mentioned earlier, it is clear from the Hebrew and the context that Yishayahu (Isaiah) 7:14 is not referring to the Mashiach (Messiah) at all. Rather, it follows the warning to King Achaz of the pending invasion of the northern kingdom. When Achaz expressed doubts, Yishayahu provided a sign that a young woman (Achaz’s own wife) would have a son and she would call him Immanuel. The sign was significant because it was to take place imminently, so that Achaz could verify it (not some distant Messianic vision).
          So to answer your question, we are not waiting for a young woman to call her son Immanuel. First, King Achaz’s wife already called her son that. Second, the verse was not referring to the Mashiach at all.
          So yes, the Jews are still waiting for the the Mashicah. But his arrival is not destined to come with a virgin birth, nor specifically through a young woman, nor does he need to be named Immanuel, nor does he need to have any connection with the Prime Minister of Israel.
          However, the Mashiach will need to meet the many criteria that are specifically and clearly mentioned in the Torah (bible) about the coming of the Mashiach, including the many examples I have provided in my article, which unfortunately have not yet occurred.

        • Thank you Rabbi Bryks for your clear and compelling explanations!

        • I am reading and consulting with other sources right now because the news I am hearing is very new stuff to me. Please allow me some time to formulate and gather data before I post

          Thank you Rabbi

        • Rabbi Tully Bryks

          Thank you David for the vote of confidence and than you Steve for the update!
          Please don’t feel compelled to post. I am not looking to change you or to encourage conversion to Judaism in any way. Rather, this article is a reply to Joanne’s question explaining why the vast majority of Jews never accepted Jesus as the Mashiach (Messiah).

  6. Rabbi Tully Bryks

    No comments have been deleted.
    And we can certainly respectfully disagree.
    You are quoting from the New Testament and/or from Christian translations of the the Torah (Old Testament). So from your perspective, you believe that the Mashiach (Messiah) has already come.
    But the question that was submitted to this website did not ask why Christian believe that Jesus was the Mashiach. Rather, it specifically asked why Jews have not accepted Jesus as the Mashiach. So I provided a handful of reasons, that based on the reading the Torah in it’s original Hebrew and the context therein as well as the Oral Torah containing an elucidation of the written Torah, Jews do not accept Jesus as the Mashiach.
    We are not asking you to change your views. We just ask that you respect our right to have our own views.

  7. I do respect the right and I also consulted in the hebrew language and they line up exactly the same as Jesus perfectly. Jewish converts such as Sid roth and steven ben denoon and especially Jonathan Cahn agree he is the Messiah.

    In Micah 5:2, there is a prophecy that reveals that Bethlehem would be the birthplace of the Messiah.

  8. Rabbi Tully Bryks

    Who was the publisher of the Hebrew text that you read?
    I have many versions of the Tanach in my home, and none of them correspond to the English quotes you have provided in your numerous comments.
    Regarding Micah 5:2, I have already indicated that even if Jesus meets some criteria of the Mashiach (being male for example) he does not meet all of the criteria (such as bringing about world peace).
    Furthermore, the traditional Jewish understanding of Micah 5:2 is that the Mashiach will be a descendant of someone who come from Bethlehem (King David who himself is a descendant of Ruth).
    But again, I don’t see why you feel the need to keep commenting. If someone wanted the Christian perspective on the Mashiach, they can go to many Christian websites. It is not my place to tell Christians how to believe. By the same token, this is a website designed to provide insights into the Jewish perspective.

  9. If you don’t want me to comment I won’t I thought this is a open discussion. If It was a Christian website I would encourage dialogue to and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear. I am not telling anyone to believe simply a rational discussion and as Jesus is of the bloodline of David I think it’s quiet important. We also have confirmation of many important things from the writings of Josephus as he was a well respected Jewish historical figure as well. I would think you find joy in discussing these matters.

    I have the original hebrew study bible for myself as 1 reference. The thousands of Jewish Rabbi’s who converted to Christianity can’t all be wrong. The way I see things spirutually as well is to look at things objectively.

    Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because:

    Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.
    Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.
    Biblical verses “referring” to Jesus are mistranslations.
    Jewish belief is based on national revelation.

    But first, some background: What exactly is the Messiah?

    The word “Messiah” is an English rendering of the Hebrew word Mashiach, which means “anointed.” It usually refers to a person initiated into God’s service by being anointed with oil. (Exodus 29:7, 1-Kings 1:39, 2-Kings 9:3)

    1. Jesus Did Not Fulfill the Messianic Prophecies

    What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34)

    Specifically, the Bible says he will:

    Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
    Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
    Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: “Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore.” (Isaiah 2:4)
    Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: “God will be King over all the world ― on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One” (Zechariah 14:9).

    If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be the Messiah.

    Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible’s description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba and Shabbtai Tzvi have been rejected.

    Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Bible no concept of a second coming exists.

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    2) Jesus Did Not Embody the Personal Qualifications of Messiah

    A. Messiah as Prophet

    The Messiah will become the greatest prophet in history, second only to Moses. (Targum – Isaiah 11:2; Maimonides – Yad Teshuva 9:2)

    Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry, a situation which has not existed since 300 BCE. During the time of Ezra, when the majority of Jews remained in Babylon, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets ― Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.

    Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended, and thus could not be a prophet.

    B. Descendent of David

    Many prophetic passages speak of a descendant of King David who will rule Israel during the age of perfection. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5)

    The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father ― and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father’s side from King David. (1)

    According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (2) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.

    C. Torah Observance

    The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)

    Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), “He does not observe Shabbat!

    The new testament writings are 100% reliable

  10. Rabbi Tully Bryks

    We definitely welcome dialogue. However, it does not seem helpful in this case for 2 reasons:
    1. If you look through our many comment exchanges, you will see that you ask certain questions, I reply to those questions, and then you re-ask the same exact questions (sometimes multiple times) as if there was never a reply. So it seems that you are not looking for (or even reading) answers. Rather, you are just promoting an agenda
    2. You continue to quote from Christian sources (such as the New Testament or from Christian translations of the Torah). I am quoting from Jewish sources (the original written and Oral Torah). Since our sources contradict each other, our conclusions will also contradict each others.
    And that’s OK – From a Jewish perspective, we are all G-d’s children and we are not looking for non-Jews to become Jewish.

  11. I feel inclined to jump in on your post. I was saying from the sources I am disagreeing from what you were saying. So I wasn’t re-asking. I don’t see that here. You are half correct I am reading everything and not looking for answers but Rabbi Tully Bryks point of view. And there was no agenda just discussion

    There is no such thing as different Biblical translations which include the Torah- The Torah is the original Torah. It seems you had an issue because I didn’t type it out in hebrew. It is not possible for God to contradict himself using his word

    Also From a Jewish perspective I am not so sure we are all God’s children in the context I am picking up. The caananites God had them destroyed so depending on the context of god’s children. Also I would imagine a Jewish person should still be doing blood sacrifices, but they do not meaning that’s scary because there is no atonment according to a Jewish view.

  12. Rabbi Tully Bryks

    To see that you have ignored/missed my previous comments, all you need to do is look through the entire comment history. Here is just one example of a question you kept asking even after it was answered:

    In your first comment (Apr. 19), one of the points you made was:
    “Messiah would be born of a virgin. Isaiah 7:14”
    And
    “Messiah would be called Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14”

    In my response to these quotes, I wrote (Apr. 19)
    “The key word in this verse, עַלְמָה (pronounced alma) has always meant a young woman, and certainly not a virgin. If the Torah wanted to indicate virgin, it would have used the Hebrew word for virgin בְּתּוּלָה (pronounced Betulah) as it does when it actually refers to a virgin. For example, see Breishis (Genesis) 24:16, “the girl was very beautiful, a virgin (בְּתּוּלָה), and no man had had any relations with her.” Unlike the beliefs of the 1st century pagans who regularly espoused the idea of mortals being impregnated by gods, Judaism has never accepted such concepts.
    Furthermore, Yishayahu 7:14 is not even talking about the Mashiach. Rather, the context is that Yishayahu had come to warn King Achaz that the northern kingdom had formed an alliance with King Rezin of Aram (Syria) to wage war against Jerusalem. In 7:4, Yishayahu tells King Achaz that he should not be afraid because G-d will be with him and the invasion with fail. In 7:8, he further states that within 65 years, the northern kingdom will cease to exist and its 10 tribes would be led into exile by Assyria. When King Achaz expresses his doubts, Yishayahu offers a sign as described in Yishayahu 7:14, “Therefore, the L-rd Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the young woman (הָעַלְמָה) shall conceive and give birth to a son and she will name him Immanuel.” The young woman was referring to someone who they both knew; otherwise, it would not have been a very effective sign. One Jewish tradition (see Radak) is that “the woman” was Achav’s own wife, making the sign even more impressive, as it even predicted the name he would give his son. But regardless, it is clear that the verse is not referring to the Mashiach and certainly has nothing to do with a virgin birth.”
    Your response to this was (Apr. 19),
    “Prophecy: Isaiah 7:14
    “Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.”
    Wasn’t this the very verse I had just responded to?
    You then submitted another comment (Apr. 20) asking if I reject,
    “Prophecy: Isaiah 7:14 saying “Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.”
    So I patiently reviewed some of the points I had already made (Apr. 20),
    “As I mentioned in my previous comments, most of the English quotes you are providing are not accurate depictions of the Hebrew text or context, as found consistently in our Torah (Bible) scrolls for the past 3,300 years.
    Yishayahu (Isaiah) 7:14 uses the Hebrew term עַלְמָה, which means “young woman” and does not use the Hebrew term בְּתּוּלָה, which would have meant virgin. And the verse is not even referencing the Mashiach (Messiah) at all. Furthermore, the popular 1st century Pagan concept of gods impregnating women is counter to all Jewish teachings.”
    I was hoping that at this point you would have read at least one of my replies. But instead (Apr. 20), your next comment quotes (your version of) 7:14 again and then you ask,
    “are you waiting for a young women to be on the news with a child who’s name will be emmanuel still then?”
    Hadn’t I already explained that this verse is NOT talking about the Mashiach and that Emmanuel has nothing to with the name of the Mashiach?
    So at that point I provide an even longer explanation (Apr 21).
    You then refrained from commenting for 2 months. And then, yesterday (June 17), you comment again with a surprise quote,
    “Isaiah 7:14
    Isaiah foreshadowed the virgin birth of Jesus”
    In conclusion, it seems quite clear that you are not really reading most of my comments so it is not a discussion of ideas.
    And while you are correct the word of G-d cannot be changed and the Torah is the Torah, the Christian publications of the Torah (such as the Gideon Bible found in many hotel rooms), is not consistent with the Torah scrolls, books and manuscripts found in Jewish Synagogues, homes and museums. So while I will leave it to historians to figure out who changed the original text, the bottom line is that Jews and Christians have different versions of the Torah. Your version seems to indicate that the Mashiach already came and our version makes it clear that the Mashiach has not yet come.
    And the Jewish perspective is still that all people are G-d’s children, including the Caananites. Just children rebel some times.
    For more information about the Jewish perspective on animal sacrifice and the atonement, see my article on Animal Sacrifice – http://rabbiwithanswers.com/bloodshed-animal-sacrifices-temple/

  13. Rabbi Tully Bryks

    There’s lots to be said in response to these questions, but in deference to several reader requests, I have moved my discussion with Steve to a private email exchange. So rest assured, this website will continue to serve as a resource for a Jewish perspective.

  14. Hello…mr Tully Bryks…
    my name is Vasilis…i am from Thesaloniki-Greece…
    i am greek…i believe that Jesus of Nazareth is The Real Christ…is The King of Israel…is The Son of God…is The only Savior for all nations…!!!

    1 Samuel 8.
    “Give us a king to judge us.”
    Samuel prayed to the Lord. 7The Lord said to Samuel, “Listen to the voice of the people in all that they tell you; for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected me as the king over them. 8According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even to this day, in that they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so they also do to you.

    I ASK YOU
    What do you think…
    God became glad…when the isralites ask from the prophet Samuel…to give them a king…???

    sorry for my english…i hope that you understand me…!!!

  15. Rabbi Tully Bryks

    Thanks so much Vasilis for your comment and perspective! I fully respect your right to your opinion to believe in Jesus and I hope that you will respect the right of Jews to believe that Jesus was not the Messiah.
    With regard to your question from Samuel, G-d was not happy with their request for a king. On the contrary, G-d is the King of all Kings, and they should not feel a need for an intermediary to connect with Him.
    Thank you again!

  16. YOU ANSWERD
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    Right answer…!!!

    God is Holy…
    that means….His Kingdom is also Holy…!!!

    The Holy and Wise God…
    gave them…Saul…to be king…
    and after Saul…gave David to be king…and after David…gave the sons of David to be kings…!!!

    I ASK YOU
    a man…is it possible…
    to be worthy king….sitting…upon The Holy Throne of The Holy Kingdom of God…???

    I ASK YOU
    Saul…David…and his sons…
    proved themselves…
    worthy to be king…sitting…upon The Holy Throne of the Kingdom of God…???

    I ASK YOU
    What do you think…
    God stopped to want…to be…HE…THE ONLY KING of Israel….???

    i ASK YOU
    Why the isralites…
    they insist…to have a man…king…sitting…upon The Holy Throne of The Holy Kingdom of God….???

    I ASK YOU
    Why the isralites…they dont understand….
    that…IS NOT POSSIBLE…for a man…to be worthy king…sitting…upon The Holy Throne of the Holy Kingdom of God…???

    Till today…the isralites…they want…they search…
    to have a man…as a worthy king….sitting…upon The Holy Throne of The Kingdom of God…
    I ASK YOU
    is that right…???

  17. Rabbi Tully Bryks

    You ask a very good question. If the Jews had messed up by asking Shmuel (Samuel) for a king, why would G-d appoint subsequent kings like David and Shlomo (Solomon) and why is there a requirement for Jews to long for the Mashiach (Messiah), who is referred to as a future king and direct descendant of King David?
    From a Jewish perspective, leaders who can bring people closer to G-d have always been valued. Some of these historic leaders have been prophets and others have been kings. Such kings are not supposed to replace G-d and are not needed as intermediaries. Rather, they are supposed to lead my example to bring people closer to G-d. As a matter of fact, one of the commandments that G-d gives us in the Torah (Bible) is to establish a king for ourselves when we get to the land of Israel. As it says in Devarim (Deuteronomy) 17:15, “You shall surely set over yourself a king who Hashem your G-d shall choose.” Furthermore, Shmuel (Samuel) describes in the book of Shoftim (Judges) that some of the saddest and worst periods since the Jewish people entered Israel occurred due to the lack of a Jewish king.
    So if having a king is can be a lofty, and even required, aspect of Jewish life in Israel, why was G-d not happy with the request to Shmuel for a king? The answer is that it depends on the intentions of those who want a king. And unfortunately, since they desired a king for the wrong reasons, G-d was not happy with the request.

  18. I ASKED YOU
    What do you think… God became glad…when the isralites ask from the prophet Samuel…to give them a king…???

    YOU ANSWERED
    With regard to your question from Samuel, G-d was not happy with their request for a king.

    IF I HAD ASKED YOU
    Why God was not happy with their request for a king….???

    YOUR ANSWER IS
    it depends on the intentions of those who want a king. And unfortunately, since they desired a king for the wrong reasons, G-d was not happy with the request. –

    I SAY TO YOU
    We know that…
    the kingdom of Israel…IS GOD’S KINGDOM…
    that means…
    God says…

    ”I made – I have…upon the Earth…MY OWN nation – the nation of Israel…
    and…
    the kingdom of this nation…
    IS MY KINGDOM…AND I AM THE KING OF THIS KINGDOM…!!!”

    NEVERTHELESS
    God gave them Saul to be king…
    and after king Saul…
    God gave them David to be king…
    and after king David…
    become kings…the sons of David…!!!

    WHAT HAPPEND FINALLY…???
    The nation of Israel…and their kings…finally…became…
    renegade…apostate…unfaithful…unbeliever…
    God was waiting for long time ….
    from the isralites and their kings…to repent….
    they did not repent…
    and so…
    God destroyed them through Nebuchadnezzar…

    WHAT DESTROYED GOD…???
    Destroyed the kingdom of Israel
    (i mean both kingdoms…of Jerusalem and Samaria)
    and their kings – who were human beings…
    because of their apostacy.-of their sins..
    BUT…GOD…did not destroyed HIS KINGDOM…AND HIMSELF AS THE KING OF ISRAEL…
    after the destroyment through Nebuchadnezzar…
    GOD…STILL EXSISTS…AS KING OF HIS KINGDOM…AS KING upon the nation of Israel…!!!

    ΤODAY
    the Isralites…want and search…
    to have again a king…a king – human being – a descendant of the king David…

    Let us to suppose that…
    in our time…
    God again…like in the time of Samuel…
    gives to the isralites a king – a human being – a son of David…

    I ASK YOU
    what do you think…
    by the time…in the future
    will not happen the same story…???
    i mean…
    the isralites and their kings…
    in the future…finally…
    will not become again apostate…???

    GOD IS HOLY…AND HIS KINGDOM IS HOLY…
    and…
    THE KINGDOM of the nation of Israel…
    can not be…can not become…
    a kingdom like the kingdoms of the other nations…
    the kingdom of Israel…
    IS A PROPERTY OF GOD…
    IS HIS OWN KINGDOM…
    AND GOD IS THE KING OF THE KINGDOM of Israel…!!!

    I ASK YOU AGAIN
    what do you mean…
    is it possible…
    for a human being…
    to sit upon THE HOLY THRONE OF THE HOLY KINGDOM OF GOD…???

    In the time of Samuel…
    God gave them king-human being…
    becase….
    GOD IS GOOD…AND HIEST – WISE TEACHER…
    let them…
    through the time…
    to see…and to understand..in praxis…
    that…
    kingdom of Israel…with king…a human being…is not possible…
    finally will be destroyed…
    becase…
    the human beings are weak…and they fall to sins and to apostacy…!!!

  19. Rabbi Tully Bryks

    So why does Judaism believe that the human Mashaich King will be any different than the previous kings of Israel, many of whom were corrupt and sinful? The answer is based on the many prophesies about Messianic times, some of which I delineated in my article. For example, the prophesies describing the Mashiach state clearly that the Mashiach would bring the final redemption, including a utopian society with total peace for all people and even animals, whereby “Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore” and “the lion will lie down with the lamb.”
    So we’re talking about a completely different, utopian society, whereby the Divine presence would be so strongly felt that human kings (and commoners) would be at a much higher spiritual state. Is it a utopian society that we cannot relate to, but one that we long for and pray for every day.

Comments and Questions are welcome